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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 01:05:03 -
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I thought probey frigs had a decent cargo hold. Stick some expanders on and rig it. Hey presto, frig hauler. Even comes with a t2 cloaky version.
Just what are you trying to haul anyhow?
Oh, I just read the thousands of m3 part. Hell no! More like 1000m3 tops. Thats skills, mods and rigs included!
Edit, a heron can probably exceed 1000m3...
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 01:37:51 -
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I know how you feel. I try to get my bowhead through frigate WH connections so I can get ships to my brosefs, but I cant. CCP, please fix this blatant oversight. /first world problems
Thats too bad. Find another WH to mine out of or ditch what you cant carry. 4000m3 is a ridiculous amount. Comparing it to an ore bay is Apples and oranges. Ore is fat, therefore they need a large bay to be worth a damn. Luckily it only carries ore.
You're asking for something completely different in a fleet hangar.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 01:57:17 -
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If its so obvious to you that fleet hangars are different to ore bays why do you keep comparing them as though there is some standardised scaling between the two?
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 02:08:52 -
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No you're definitely not a mathematician if you dont know what scaling is. Fact is, saying 'ore bays are such a size. Therefore a fleet hangar of this size is ok' is making comparisons between the two.
I like the idea, but drop the fleet hangar. Its a specialist feature and lets face it, you only want it so you dont have to make a choice between capacity and mobility. Drop the capacity to around 1000m3, Its just a frig and you can make multiple trips and call friends to help you haul if its THAT important you go through a frigate-WH. And you can even keep the probey bonus.
Oh look, a heron.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 02:38:43 -
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So If scaling between the two is meaningless (which is what ive been saying), why would the size of a prospects ore bay justify the size of a fleet hangar?
Thats right its a game. So 10 000m3 of ore bay is not the same has 5000m3 of fleet hangar is not the same as 5000m3 of cargo capacity. Stop comparing them as though the existence of one justifies the other.
If this isn't about mobilty, then why not just make it a normal cargo bay? Why does it have to be a fleet hangar? Especially for a low-álevel frig sized hauler.
A heron isnt a poor alternative. It has everything you've asked for save for the fleet hangar you just said you didnt need and a huge capacity that comes too close to existing Indies for my liking.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 03:04:15 -
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As ive said, the precedent set by the venture is irrelevant because its a completely different, and heavily restricted, kind of bay.
The ships purpose justifies a larger than normal bay. Which a heron has. If deploying a pos tower is a problem, then restrict the bay size. Heron again.
Whats wrong with a ghetto hauler when you want something for low skill and low wallet? It does the job. Perhaps not as well as you want, but maybe you arent meant to haul so easily through frig WHs
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2517
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Posted - 2015.06.14 06:06:06 -
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Apex Bex wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:As ive said, the precedent set by the venture is irrelevant because its a completely different, and heavily restricted, kind of bay. Yeah, totally irrelevant. Because we're not talking about two different kinds of Industrial Frigates or anything...
You're talking about a mining frig and a hauling frig as if they are the same thing, but they arent. They are two different roles. Thats why you want to give them two completely different bays in the first place. This is also why i dont compare the capacity of my bustard to my rettie, despite them both being medium industrial ships.
You said yourself this is just a game, which is why the capacity of one, has no bearing on what the capacity of the other should be. It could have a maintenance bay of 20million m3 and carry battleships through frigate sized WH's if thats what we wanted it to have.
If your only argument for having such a huge capacity is 'cause venture', then i dont buy it. A hauler frig should sacrifice more than that for aligning twice as fast and taking nearly five times as long to lock as the speedy T1 indies.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2519
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:29:37 -
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Apex Bex wrote: I'm just saying base it off the hull as it's a frigate sized industrial.
And im saying thats poor logic considering how differently the two ships will work. The existence of one does not justify the other, especially in a game. They are apples and oranges.
The T1 probey frigs are fine examples of hauler frigs (I couldnt even imagine a magnante could carry so much), and even have the probe str bonus you wanted.
Sometimes you just have to take multiple trips/bring friends/ditch what you cant carry/wait for a better hole.
I once took 20 trips in a DST so we could get Rorqual parts into a WH.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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